All right, so I’ve been thinking this over for about… oh… ten years…
Peter DeLuise as Professor Stokes?
When I stepped out of the theater in May of 2012 from the “Dark Shadows” motion picture I considered, in a cheesy sense, that since Johnny Depp is performing Barnabas Collins? Why shouldn’t Peter DeLuise perform Professor Stokes? I mean, really! That way we’d have double the “21 Jump Street” action going on! Why not?
So as I’ve been, lackadaisically, writing this sequel, Dark Shadows II: Rebuilding Collinwood, the thought has returned, “Why not Peter DeLuise? What did he look like in 2012 or 2013? What were his interests at that time?”
Now that I am creating a sequel to the movie, I have decided to look once more.
Peter DeLuise (son of Dom DeLuise) has been pretty busy! Directing and writing for science fiction adventure stuff mostly. Not a bad set of priorities.
Would he possibly have suited for Professor T. Elliot Stokes? He had a somewhat similar body shape to Thayer David, right?
Then this picture gave me all the assurance I needed:
Okay! Slap a monocle on this image and we’re in business! (And please do so and send it to me if you have some fancy imaging apps or something, seriously!)
So after my Bella Heathcote/Josette entries, that’s all I have to offer for right now.
I wasn’t always fascinated by Josette DuPres, by the way. Quite the opposite in the beginning, particularly her name.
“Josette? What a dull name! Why is Barnabas, who has such a complicated name, in love with someone who has such a dull one?” Then I heard Alexandra Moltke pronounce it “Zho-zette” and I thought, “Okay! I can work with that.”
Then came her last name, which once was referred to as la Freniére, then DuPres, but how is it written? Many different ways! DuPres, Du Pres, du Pres, duPres, Dupres, and I’m likely missing others.
It’s been suggested, over time and even recently, that I am taking a simple character and growing her into something more.
I quote myself in response to the idea Barnabas Collins was my “main character”. I rejoined this with, “He is not my main character. He’s the darn shows‘ main character that everyone falls for. Josette stinkin’ I’m-going-to-reincarnate-myself-endlessly-and-detatch-myself-as-a-ghost-to-reach-my-spiky-banged-lucious is unfortunately as main character as I get because she’s such a pain in the tush to figure out!”
And she is, or perhaps was?
My own, and others, fascination with Josette DuPres can be summed up, simply, in these words:
“Don’t think of a pink elephant.”
This is also known as: ironic process theory.
You have just forbid a topic and, therefore, whom you forbade to think about it wishes to understand it TEN TIMES MORE! (Thanks, folks.)
Josette DuPres has been a puzzle, still is, but then I noticed all this hate/insecurity and dismissive regard over her character. This both confused me and, of course, got me that much more curious.
Similar occurrences in life came my way upon asking about other topics outside my experience, such as: blueberries, red grapes, Jonestown, World War One, Canadian History, the Irish language, punk rock, and many other topics. I’d ask people about them and they tended to do their best to not talk about the subject, or find a way to make it seem unimportant. This repeated behaviour always got my dander up or just made me far more curious!
The hate for Barnabas Collins and the dismissal about Josette DuPres from “fans” made no sense and drove me nuts. (Then I FOUND the fans who loved them both, HA HA!)
Long ago all I wanted was relief for most-to-all of the key players, so Barnabas and Josette wanting each other was no big shakes to me. I was looking at the bigger picture. Josette DuPres was merely part of that. When it became obvious the main romance of Dark Shadows was ‘taboo’, I did not care one iota. If outcast fans were the only ones interested in what I was doing? Fine! I wanted them. (And I found them too. ❤ )
Now, working with Josette? Well, she actually IS so complicated that a ton of fans just simplify her, really. It’s the easiest way to get around any complex subject as I learned by so many other topics I was curious about years ago.
The original series went all over the place with her ghost and then did more than hint at the reincarnation stuff, so I managed working with that to adapt and create more resolution, whereas on the soap-opera they stretched Josette out to be more confusing than resolving. (Later on the actress quit and one of the writers jacked-up the continuity dreadfully.)
They managed to fix this in the 1991 Revival of Dark Shadows, though. The reincarnation of Josette went back in time and met herself!
(Both played by Joanna Going; Episode Ten of that show.) I’m STILL floored and stoked by that outcome! VERY resolved!
They do switch the reincarnation of Josette in 1991 DS and 2004 DS to be Victoria Winters instead of Maggie Evans, and this is likely why in the 2012 Dark Shadows film they started with her being Maggie and changing her name to Victoria for the governess job. (Yes, I am a geek! 🙂 )
Of course, it IS complicated, but then again so is “Star Trek” and so is “Doctor Who”, both of which we grew up on.
So my husband and I were watching the old “Dark Shadows” and cracking-up, “Oh- duh, reincarnation! Ha ha, very clever, guys.” It really was *too* obvious. That’s why I made jokes about it in The Pit (Ep#7), where Maggie refers to The Blue Whale as The Eagle Tavern, because her references get scrambled between the two lives.
The trouble is people don’t remember Josette very much due to her being subdued, minus the 1897 Kitty incarnation. THEN she gets feisty. She goes to throttle Angelique too, because Kitty, as Josette, is having flashbacks from the 1790’s and recognizes Angelique as always getting in her way.
It’s pretty intense. So? I just run with it and see what I can work with. I guess it’s from compartmentalizing. Probably, huh?
But they did great with Bella Heathcote’s Josette because they just had the ghost of Josette be visions to Maggie/Victoria of her previous life.
It was more this echo from her own psyche reverberating to guide her toward her destiny. No one else saw the vision but herself.
The other component to Josette, be it from the original show, 1991, or 2012, is, somewhere in each, she gives Barnabas no choice but to share his vampirism with her. He doesn’t want to but she demands it or creates a situation where he can’t resist.
So, it’s not exactly ‘my world’, I’m just gathering the information too many people dismissed.
And yeah! When I found the fans that validated these characters? They’d play “nice” online with the non-canon topics, but when I talked to them on the telephone? Way different story! They were rip-roaring angry! They were getting tired of all the baloney about the couple and the dismissal, and mostly it came from watching other viewers put up totally inaccurate details. We were all faced with these “fans” that were actually phonies.
Of course, this makes sense because this is the only show I’ve seen where tons of people do everything in their power to avoid the narrative. They’d talk about nearly every non-essential aspect of “Dark Shadows”, but God-Forbid they discuss the story! W-E-I-R-D! (Star Trek & Star Wars fans live for chatting the narrative and the characters. And I grew up with that instead, as did the rest of us.)
So the Josette character grows further in The Pit of Ultimate Dark Shadows from understanding who she is and being helped by other fans of DS along the way. (Many fans helped in big and small ways on my journey. Please forgive me for not listing everyone.) Osheen helped me with the astral-projection element, Lisa and Melissa helped me with the Kitty Soames 1897 part, all helped with the 1790’s period, as well as the 1960’s Maggie incarnation and who she is. Then providing more clues when Maggie would have memories she didn’t understand. Tons of bits that apply.
I found out the chik who played Josette in “Dark Shadows” 2012 later played Jane Bennet in “Pride & Prejudice & Zombies”! I discovered that yesterday!
Gosh, Bella Heathcote, who played Josette DuPres, in another movie wearing regency dresses and fighting supernatural creatures?! Hot damn! Talk about inspiration! (Plus the guy who made that novel also wrote the screenplay for the DS movie.)
Now? I shall need to watch that movie, and my sweetheart says he’s interested! Let’s see if I can find a picture of her as Jane Bennet.
This Halloween I got on a major Georgie kick after picking up the first book, used, at a library sale for ONE DOLLAR!
Apparently this is a rare find. Of the 13 marvellous tales published about this little, ghostly hero it is seldom one can find anything available for purchase at a reasonable price.
For anyone not familiar with this character, well, you may be surprised to either find out about him, or discovered you already knew him but the memory was buried under all the burgeoning muck of attention-seeking information plaguing you for decades.
I am recharging my batteries with these stories. Perhaps it’ll attend to any needs you have in the same vein.
Yep! I just thought it out, don’t have *quite* the needed commentary yet, but I figured, “Why not? It’s Halloween! ! !”
So, HAPPY HALLOWEEN!
(But I’m too pooped to put it up on the other WP right now.)
Man… I’m so happy I finally got to say, “To boldly go where EVEN Bella Heathcote’s Josette has never gone before!”
That chik had the moves and pulled it off, gave us the key to Josette having astral powers too, as did Seth Grahame-Smith, etcetera, and now look! We can let Maggie Evans test the astral waters! How damn cool is that, folks?
Also, dude, I told a friend today about the Rollins/Danzig pairing and she tripped-out laughing! “How was that even possible as a comic book?” she wondered.
“I don’t know!” I told her, “But it makes the fricken case for MOST non-canon pairing. Those men are straight as boards and have NO warm feelings about the creation.”
(I got some good giggles out of another friend, Clover, who remembers the comic, too! She affirmed to me, “Yep! Those two *are* straight as boards!” XD)
So, yeah… why was this non-canon pairing not scary to me?
I witnessed something MUCH scarier earlier! Here it is!
AHEM! Yeh! I witnessed something WAY WEIRDER! EARLIER! And I kinda like that Danzig asked, “WTF??” and Rollins was all like, “Heh… hmm! Well, whatever!” And that was it. Kinda similar to how Hall and Frid reacted, you know?
You wanted it? You got it! This podcast is marked [EXPLICIT!]
We know Tito from my husband’s high school days… Tito very much enjoys the Dark Shadows 2012 film because he doesn’t know the old show and frankly, doesn’t care! He came over as my husband and I were playing dominoes. It was pretty cool!
Instructions on how to differentiate real hate from “manufactured hate”. (It’s actually pretty simple, fellow fans…) Then my consultation with Melissa about the “confusion” about the confusion itself. 😀
Tito’s 1960’s Nostalgia is good enough for me. We begin with a “garbled” discussion between my husband, Tito and I. ^_^ Next we start with “The Kids In The Hall”, then “Clue: The Movie” (with a segue about “Murder By Death” that hopefully wasn’t too long). Proceeding with “The Time Machine”, “The Golden Girls” and other cameos in The Pit narrative, a likely a too long segue explaining who Edward Mulhare played on “Knight Rider”.
Then “The Ghost and Mrs. Muir”, a Prisoner cameo scene, “The Addams Family” (lots of conversation here including Charles Addams original drawings in The New Yorker) and “The Munsters”. (Bonus Points to Tito for knowing Fred Gwynne from another production!) MAS*H and Beetlejuice mentions. Almost neglected “Bewitched” but caught myself in time! (Some focus on Paul Lynde.)
Finalizing in bringing out the “Dark Shadows” box set to place on Tito’s lap. ^_^ Determining how one could ‘marathon’ the whole of “Dark Shadows”. Darrin Stephens hanging-out with Roger Collins ideas…
Then I wrap up with various potential scholastic pointers including:
Don’t focus on the negative and, dare I say it? Don’t focus on the positive?
Focus on the NARRATIVE.
Themes for this show: “Katip Arzvhalim Yaz Yare Boyle” by Mogollar, “waltzinblack” by The Stranglers (a favourite band between Tito and my husband) and if one enjoys the background music on the stereo while we chatted? That was a compilation called “Beautiful Noise” by Sunday Records. BUY ‘EM ALL! *wink*
Just letting y’all know: if you enjoyed my Dreamwidth entry “Adventures With Tito”, I’m working on a podcast in which we share all the hardcopy productions of the bonus helpers with him before he left. It’s taking a long time to edit, but if I do a “regular” October show, he should be in it.
Feel free to let me know you are looking forward to it. In the meantime: Everything takes “forever”.. I wish it didn’t but here we are.
For the DS 2012 Fans? Tito really enjoys that movie. We are not alone. He is actually pretty snobbish about movies but he definitely enjoyed that one, so there ya go. 😉
I am resting my laurels on the fans of that movie because, as I told someone at AO3, I’ve found fans of that movie are the nicest and it’s true. So far they have been and I don’t hold withmanufactured-hate, much less any other hate. Forget it. Seriously…
As Tito might say, “Let’s burn a dollar bill together,” *wink*
Touching on Douglas Adams and the compliments I received over the years with my own creations that were similar to his.
“Stones of Blood” commentary enjoyment and “The Key To Time” scenarios we’re watching currently…
Discussing our loss of ability in digesting the narrative form. Very, very tragic! (If one is being rewarded to be rude, yeh, y’arent’ gonna get anything good… really.)
Being relieved of anxiety through “Your Undivided Attention” podcasts and why.
Working out how to reach “Doctor Who” after the Turn of The Screw and 1897 portion in “Dark Shadows” along with the obvious pairing of Quentin and Angelique and how much Angelique desired this in the original series of “Dark Shadows”. (Which one can view in my novel already: The two of them together, and making it.) Angelique argues with Barnabas about her wanting Quentin in “Dark Shadows”. If that’s doesn’t convince you? I don’t know what does!
Some stuff about Pit #24 and Osheen’s splendid help and some stuff about Pit #25 too. Whatever we can add with Madam Findley surviving and the fun of that in the story, and Milligan and Hecubus’ glorious additives to that as well. ^_^ (How about a Henry James novel?)
Wee bit of a rant against people making you pay to have your personality removed: $60-$100 a month? To have all this high tech stuff taking away your personality? THAT’S RIDICULOUS! And I say so!
A fun listener getting back in touch for the sake of 1960’s nostalgia, and isn’t that bloody awesome?
Lots of details about Wadsworth from “Clue: The Movie”. I never believed the 3rd ending and I don’t believe I ever will. How we consider “Clue: The Movie” canon and how easily Wadsworth can be included, and the glory of that: Happy news, eh?
For folks who don’t know how to choose for themselves? Leave! Go away! Get out of my way! I don’t care about this popularity stuff! I really don’t! I just want 25 listeners and FIVE substantial comments per episode so I can FINISH THIS THING! (Seriously…)
Next on the agenda is the very strange and very British story of how I could uncork “Margaret Josette Dupres” and the potential of a complex relationship involving reincarnation. (Jean & Lionel for the win!)
Re-Cap of the June show with the online-diary websites and re-stating those… (Because the best defense you have against “surveillance” is surveying yourself.)
More non-canon romance stuff and how I and my dear friend, Helena, dealt with that over the years. Julia/Barnabas, “Little Women” and “Twin Peaks” explanation.
(Introducing my ‘idea’ of “Human-Defragmentation” and how that might work.) Why I haven’t been able to do a retrospective show for Pit #16, and making sure you all tune-in to: https://www.thesocialdilemma.com/ …
Going against social media addition is not “quitting”. I call it “escape”, for good reasons. (Donation based alternatives…)
My optimism in The Future is still in the words of James Burke and Robert Ornstein’s book, ‘The Axemaker’s Gift’:
“Above all we have been persuaded to think that it is unacceptable to be different or even to acknowledge that differences in abilities exist between us. But our survival may depend on the realization and expression of humanities immense diversity. Only if we use what may be the ultimate of the many axemaker’s gifts—the coming information systems—to nurture this individual and cultural diversity, only if we celebrate our differences rather than suppressing them, will we stand a chance of harnessing the wealth of human talent that has been ignored for millennia and that is now eager, all around the world, for release.”
Let’s solve problems together, not detract ourselves from the solutions. Peace.